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source, a federal judge denying donald trump's long bid for a trial after the election, instead scheduling it two years sooner than the former president wanted and on the eve of one of the biggest dates on the political calendar. plus mark meadows taking the stand for hours in his own defense, offering his explanation of that phone call now at the center of the georgia case. and prosecutors in spain tonight launching a criminal investigation after that unwanted kiss at the world cup. and a strange new development. i'm kaitlan collins, and this is "the source." donald trump's attorneys today in court in both georgia and washington, a marathon hearing in fulton county ending without a ruling from the judge after hours of surprising testimony from his former chief of staff, mark meadows, who of course is fighting to get his case moved from federal court

and potentially ultimately dismissed. meadows was questioned on the stand about the former president's infamous phone call with georgia's secretary of state that is at the heart of this investigation. of course, meadows himself was also on that call. >> mr. president, everybody is on the line. and this is mark meadows, the chief of staff, just so we all are aware. >> but first to the critical hearing in washington in the federal election interference case, where u.s. district judge tanya chutkan denied trump's long shot bid for a trial in april of 2026 and at times urged his defense attorney to lower the temperature not once but twice today after it got heated inside the courtroom. she also did not grant the special counsel's request for a trial starting in january. and instead, jury selection is going to start on march 4th. that is the day before super tuesday. trump responded to that date by criticizing judge chutkan, who he previously had been warned

against with his inflammatory rhetoric, with her saying that it could potentially speed up that trial. perspective now from a retired california superior court judge. judge, thank you for joining us again tonight here on "the source." what do you make of the march 4 trial date that was set today by judge chutkan? do you think it's fair? >> oh, i -- it's absolutely fair. judge chutkan deliberated, heard everyone, both sides, and set a date that i think is a reasonable date. it may change but for now, i think it's reasonable. i'll tell you, kaitlan, the moment in that hearing that struck me, i only have two words to describe it as stunningly stupid. and that was when trump's attorney compared their desire to delay the case to what happened in the case of powell versus alabama, a 1931 case involving the scottsboro boys who were convicted of raping two

white women. and the case went to the u.s. supreme court, and their convictions were reversed. and what the trump team did was say that, well, what happened in that trial is what could happen here in this trial, which was absolutely absurd. and the scottsboro case, the scottsboro boys were indicted and were in trial six days later, not even given the opportunity to choose their attorneys. in this case, there is an indictment, but that was -- the trial date is seven months out. he has experienced lawyers, a whole team, investigators. and it was stunningly stupid because, one, the comparison is ridiculous. but second, if you want to alienate a judge in a case, this was exactly what to do. a female judge, a black judge, and to talk about that case and compare it to trump's case was absurd. and chuj chutkan really took them up on it and said this case is entirely different. i think she was absolutely

offended. it was really a stunningly stupid thing to do. >> yeah. she noted, as you did there, the timing difference of that and also just the completely different cases. i mean, if you had been the judge in that room today, what would you have said to trump's defense attorneys when they brought that up? >> yeah, well, first of all, i would have read the pleadings and probably maybe had a law clerk with me. and i think my first thing would have been, wait, what, having read it. and then decide, oh, we're going to address this in the courtroom. and she did. she said it profoundly different. i think she was offended. so, hopefully there's a learning curve on the lawyers' side to not go rogue like this again and take cases that have absolutely nothing in common and try to show that they do have something in common, which in this case they did not. >> and one of the biggest points of disagreement was over the amount of discovery, the timing here. and judge chutkan was saying, you know, discovery in 2023, it's not like sitting nay

warehouse with boxes of paper where you're looking at every single page. but do you think the defense has a legitimate point when they say it is a lot to go through in this time frame that they have on their hands? >> i think the defense has a very good point to make about discovery and going through the documents. as you noted, fortunately we're at a time where things are di digitized. you can do word searches to look through documents. it's not to belittle the fact there are lots of documents that have to be gone through. but at the same time, this is a new day and there's a way they don't have to sit down and go through every single piece of paper. in addition, the prosecution has said, look, we're not even going to use classified documents when we present our case. so, i think she -- i know she gets it. and having been a litigator herself, she understands. she was a defense attorney. she understands exactly what's's involved in discovery. so, i think this was a farrakhan collusion for her to come through to give her the time to go through the documents and be

ready to go to trial in march. >> trump wasn't at that hearing today, but he wrote on social media shortly after that he is going to appeal the state. i mean, is it clear to you on what grounds he would appeal this on, could be able to -- is that even possible here? >> i think it is not possible, and his lawyers know this, to appeal a trial date. it's not possible. so, it's all talk, which is what he does. this man has a constant need to talk. sometimes the talk is -- it's incoherent, makes no sense. and this makes no sense. his lawyers know you can't appeal a trial date. so, this talking will continue, and i will tell you, he is a nightmare for his lawyers. when you have somebody like trump, who has a fragile ego, who is a misogynist, who is a racist, in my view, and who also has this constant need to talk, then there's a term for that,

loeg rhea. that is a real problem. it's going to be an issue for his lawyers to try to keep him quiet even in the courtroom. and a black woman judge is going to be there telling him when he can talk and how to behave. so, this is going to be a very interesting, interesting trial. >> that is the understatement. judge cordell, thank you so much for your time tonight. >> thank you. and i want to bring in elie honig, a former federal prosecutor, and david kelly, former u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york. i want to get to some of the points that the judge made there, elie. but it's not what the special counsel team was looking for. but it's definitely not what trump's team was looking for. what do you make of the date and whether or not -- how trump's attorneys are feeling about this? >> it's definitely a win for doj. if i was trump's attorneys right now, i would be devastated. i think the judge has wide discretion to set this trial date. i think the judge we just heard

from is correct that there's no practical way to -- this trial date is pushing trump's sixth amendment right to have time to prepare his defense. there are 12 million documents in this case. still have to review them. i know the prosecution put together a hit list of best documents. that's nice. it's the defense's decision what they're going to use. they are -- in addition to reviewing those documents, they get to do their own investigation. they have to bring motions. and i think to require them to do that in seven months is really getting close to the line constitutional. >> do you agree with that? >> yeah, look, there's a couple of different ways to look at that. i think that's a fine argument elie makes buchlt i think the prosecution has made a good case here as to how they can proceed in a prudent way and a fair way, and i think they can do it. i also think, frankly, that while this trial date is set in stone, it's probably going to get pushed. most trial dates do. >> how far do you think it'll get pushed?

>> i don't think it'll get pushed too far. i think it will still be before the election, but i think that's still an aggressive date. and i think there's still a lot of flex. trials get, you know, last minute, the motions drag on, something comes up. if this went when she said it, i'd be surprised. >> she is referencing, though, what trump is dog, running for office saying that he shouldn't be treated any differently, that an athlete wouldn't be treated any differently if they had games to go to. what do you make of the fact that it is set the one day before super tuesday? >> i agree with her. i think in theory he shouldn't be treated any differently. let's just treat him as a normal defendant. the average federal conspiracy fraud case takes about two years to get to trial. forcing him to trial in seven months actually quite abnormal. it's not entirely unheard of. i'm not moved by the fact that he's running for office. i do think -- let's be honest -- the judge and doj is very much

thinking about the election date. they're not going to say it. doj is going to religiously avoid saying it. but they're aware that trial date is there and they're trying to get this trial in before the election. i don't think there's any question about that. i think there's a little bit of intellectual dishonesty happening here. >> you're saying by saying it's not political but it is still a little bit political. >> they're obviously trying to get it in before november. let's be real. >> there is reporting that jack smith was sitting in the room day. he didn't speak. it was the other prosecutors making their argument, but he was taking notes. what do you think he's taking notes of? >> look, at the end of the day, the buck stops there, and he wants to make sure he's really plugged in. he's supervising this case, and he owns it. so, you know, i think he's doing what anyone -- i certainly would be there and taking notes and thinking to myself how to -- what's the next step? this is a chess game. what are we going to do next? >> john lauro was making this argument saying that, you know, i don't know that i can, you

know, do my best essentially. did he seem to be setting up an argument where if there is a conviction they would be making an appeal? >> we've both seen this for sure. defense lawyers will do this. it sounds counterintuitive. they'll say, i cannot give effective assistance to my counsel under these conditions. they do it not infrequently and for that reason, trying to make a record so if it goes up in appeal, they can say, look, the lawyer warned everybody. he wasn't able to do his job. >> with this time line, if that is what happens, could the conviction stand? >> yes, and i think the government has made a good case as to why they can pursue as soon as they can. they've provided this stuff. the number of the volume that has been produced in discovery i think is a little misleading because a lot of it is public records, stuff that's been available for a long time. >> truth social posts. >> stuff they know, stuff he generated himself. so, i think for them to make comparisons they would have to

read the "war and peace" five times a day in order to get ready, that's -- i don't think that carries any water. i think that a lot of the stuff that the government produced is going to have no use to them at trial. >> one fairly interesting point today was when there was questions from the prosecutors about if trump's defense team poll d.c. residents that it could taint the jury pool. the judge seemed very interested in that, asking, she wanted to know if john lauro does do that. is that normal? >> i've never heard that. to go around to civilians and take their pulse on donald trump. i assume it's some sort of trial preparation, jury preparation, how is he received here. >> i think what they're trying to do here is set up a motion for a change of venue. >> is that going to be successful though? >> no. >> no. >> no chance? >> no, i don't see it. what their argument is district of columbia voted overwhelmingly for biden. and, you know, this is not a political -- this is not a

campaign. this is not an election. this is whether or not jurors not withstanding what they know about the defendant can still be fair and reasonable and consider the evidence through a clear prism without any sort of prejudice or bias. it's not if they're going to vote for the guy. they don't have to like him. they don't have to vote for him. they just have to be true to their word, true to their oath, to look at the evidence clearly and make their decision based only on the evidence. >> david kelly, elie honig, thank you both. coming up, trump codefendant and former top aide mark meadows surprised the room when he took the stand. it's a risky move to move his case to federal court. but what it could mean for everyone if he succeeds. and also tonight a potentially life threatening storm is heading for florida, expected to strengthen into a hurricane. where and when it's expected to hit.

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the battle over whether to move the georgia racketeering case against donald trump and some of his codefendants to federal court officially kicked off today as trump's former chief of staff mark meadows took the stand under oath. it was a surprising move, one that most criminal defendants are not willing to take, especially this early in the legal process. but meadows is hoping to move his case not only to a more favorable jury pool potentially, but also maybe a more favorable judge, who potentially could dismiss the charges against him completely. the all-day hearing, though,

ended on a cliff hanger. the judge stopped it without a ruling, said he would rule as soon as possible, given arraignments are barely a week away, expected to start on september 6th. that is going to be a very busy day. mark it on your calendars. trump and a long list of codefendants will be entering pleas on the same day, just 15 minutes apart, starting with the former president himself, at 9:30 that morning. joining me now to discuss, geoff duncan, georgia's former lieutenant governor, who testified before the georgia grand jury, jen jordan, and michael moore, also a u.s. attorney from georgia. michael, let me start with you because what did you make of meadows taking the stand under oath? how risky is this potentially? >> well, it's a pleasure to be with all of you tonight. you know, it's unusual to see a criminal defendant get on the stand and give any testimony under oath. most lawyers shy away from that. what it tells me is his legal team, at least in this case, is thinking about making a complete record that would likely find

its way before an appellate court and that they needed to get evidence out from him that would be unique to him. so, in other words, they wanted to hear him talk about his job, how he perceived his duties, how he perceived the functions he was doing to find out if he could meet that standard, even if it's a low standard and a low bar, to have his case removed to the federal court. so, i really think it was a strategic move. we'll see if it hurts him down the road. but at this point, he's now created a record where he has, without a doubt, stated that he felt like what he was doing and the job description that he had falls clearly within his role as chief of staff. that's going to be critical. whether it's judge jones that decides it, whether it's the 11th circuit court of appeals that decides it, or whether it's the supreme court that looks at this and makes the ultimate decision. >> speaking of his duties, meadows testified that the call with brad raffensperger was just his own attempt to resolve the

former president's concerns about voter fraud and land the plane on the whole transfer of power to biden. but that clearly is not what georgia officials thought was happening there. >> no. and that's why the secretary of state was there to testify in terms of what his perception of the call was. look, at the end of the day, meadows had to testify because there was no one else. if you looked at the list of witnesses that the parties put out, the only person that was listed was meadows because who else is he going to call? is he going to call the other 18, you know, co-conspirators that have been indicted by fani willis? he can't. he is really the only person who can speak to really what he did and what his thought process was. but at the end of the day, the way he kind of framed it, it made him seem like a glorified secretary. it seemed as if all he did was pass notes and take care of the calendar. but that is clearly not what was

going on. and i think the secretary of state's testimony of this afternoon really did clarify that. >> yeah. geoff, raffensperger was on the stand too. he said he believed the call was on behalf of the campaign, not an official white house duty. he said, quote, it was a campaign call. how much does that undercut what meadows testified to today? >> well, i think today was just a small microcosm of what we're going to see play out between now and the election, all the drip, drip of the different strategies. i'm expecting 19 different -- to battling these indictments. the idea of it being campaign related or official related, they're trying to argue they had the right to challenge the election. they got relief from that. they got three challenges for the election. that's similar to walking into a bank and saying, i want $11,780 and they say, you don't have $11,780. well, do. all that's fine, but you can't turn around and splice up video

tapes, you can't accuse people of rigging the machines. you can't say that operators on the atms or the tellers are crooked and expect it not to be called a fraud. that's the challenge that i think they're sitting in. >> yeah, i mean, for all of this, michael, trump's attorneys were there in the courtroom today. what could they glean from not just what they heard from mark meadows, but also what they heard from secretary raffensperger? >> well, they got a good chance to sort of get a dry run at how raffensperger is going to testify. they also got a sneak peek at some of the arguments the government is going to make both to the motions that will be forthcoming on behalf of trump and also may go to trial. remember that a president and vice president are not subject to the hatch act provisions, which is what we've been hearing about. whether or not this was some kind of illegal campaign activity. and meadows was acting on behalf of the president. so, the judge is going to have to look and say, well, 154 of

those 157 overt acts that the district attorney has alleged were part of the conspiracy were done while trump was the sitting president of the united states. and so how does that play into meadows' job? and trump's lawyers had a chance to hear this. they'll now know what to expect from raffensperger. they'll know he's going to say it's a campaign call. they'll know about the whether or notes on whether or not they think this is some kind of campaign violation on meadows' part or otherwise. but it really gives them a very brief -- and it's very brief, frankly -- preview into the case to come. and i think it also tells us that we will have a number of versions surfing around both in the interpretation of the telephone call. and if you listen to that call where meadows says, this is the chief of staff, and apparently they're calling from the oval office, it's a unique introduction. clearly he didn't say, this is the trump campaign. whether that's positive from the federal judge, i doubt it. but it's a piece of information that will get put into the mix

as they decide how to move forward and may be compelling to a federal court. >> one thing he was repeatedly asked by process cue r tos, jen, is why he visited that atlanta facility, where georgia officials were auditing ballots. he said he was on his own volition, visiting his children for christmas. how does that explanation sit with a judge here? >> i think that's -- what you're pointing out is, like, how inconsistent a lot of the statements were. so, on one hand, he has absolutely no agency to do anything. he's basically just an errand boy, right? on the second hand, he's in georgia and he just happens over to cobb county where they're doing an audit with the gbi standing right there. and it's not public and he's trying to force some way in. but he's just, kind of, doing that because he's trying to think ahead to what the president might want him to do. and really what i cannot believe that the strongest argument, what michael was just talking about, is, well, the president

wasn't subject to the hatch act. so, if the president tells him to do something that violates the hatch act and because he's not, then somehow does that mean that he's not responsible for violation of the hatch kt a, meaning meadows? that just is all circular. it doesn't make sense. and it really does underscore why you should never put a criminal, someone who has been accused of criminal activity like mr. meadows on the stand under oath, especially this early in the case. >> one thing that someone highlighted today, geoff, was how in his memoir that he wrote after leaving office, meadows said his job, as chief of staff, he believed, was to, quote, the tell the most powerful man in the world when you believed he was wrong. is it clear that meadows didn't do that when it probably mattered the most here? >> well, he must have whispered it in his ear and not said it out loud, because i've never seen examples of him standing up to donald trump over the ridiculous nature of where this

is headed. i think it's interesting to watch this play out like a ponzi scheme of lies that just kind of built. and if you look at the defense, it's all technicalities. i did it under this official guise or i did it under this unofficial purpose. the redwral is nobody aels doubling down on the facts. that's the biggest hurdle they're going to have to climb. when you go on a two-plus crime spree from coast to coast. a lot of folks are complaining about the calendars. when you have four trials to have to complete with on a calendar, you're not going to be able to skip certain days because it's your birthday or you've got a nail appoint. you have to face the music. as a republican, the dashboard is going off with lights and bells and whilss telling us all the warning things we need to know. 99 indictments, fake republican, $8 trillion worth of debt. everything we need to see to not choose him as our nominee, including the fact he's got a moral compass more like an ax

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tonight the trump campaign is calling the date set for the former president's election interference case, quote, election interference. that is how republicans are

hoping to launch an impeachment inquiry, not exactly impeachment itself, into president biden potentially as soon as next month. only yesterday trump was calling for house republicans to do so, to impeach president biden, saying, quote, they did it to us. joining me tonight, cnn political commentator jamal simmons and scott jennings. scott, trump is going to be dealing with, in his trials obviously. but now we've seen republicans, as they're divided over whether or not to launch the inquiry in and of itself and what that would mean. and mccarthy is saying, you know, just doing an inquiry is not the same as an impeachment vote. but that clearly is not going to be enough for the former president. >> well, it may not be enough for him in the moment, but it should be because it's the correct strategic move. and i would be shocked, by the way, if an inquiry gets launched without a full vote of the house. but think about where we've come from. six months ago we knew virtually nothing. and now after what the house republicans have done, both

speaker mccarthy and the committee chairs and various committees, think about how much we now know about the biden family activity. so, doing an inquiry would unlock a bunch more investigative tools, and it would allow them to turn over more rocks than they've been able to turn over. if you're donald trump, you want as much information as you can to give republicans the best possible foundation should an impeachment be necessary. so, inquiry is the right move. a vote on it is the right move. and i think based on what i have heard, that's the direction they would be headed. >> yeah, but they still haven't found anything or produced anything that has tied it directly to president biden, as they've alluded. and jamal, our reporting is that some republicans are not convinced that they've uncovered evidence of high crimes and misdemeanors, which, of course, is the bar for impeachment, how do you see it? do you see it, trump's post saying, if they did it to us, we should do it to them, is a sense of retribution?

>> of course it is. impeachment is supposed to be for a high crime of misdemeanor. this is an impeachment in search of a high crime and misdemeanor. you're not supposed to do it because they did it to us. he just keeps saying the quiet part out loud. i was listening to the part you said about mark meadows and whether or not he was doing election campaign activity. they run rough shot over all the norms. this was the same government where they had the republican national convention on the south lawn of the white house. so, they've erased all the lines between what's appropriate government behavior that we've all lived by for generations and what is political behavior because donald trump says so. you can't have a government that continues that way. >> scott, also just looking at what next year would look like, a biden impeachment, if that is what house republicans do ultimately pursue, that adds to what we're seeing with the 2024 campaign calendar. trump could be in court the day before super tuesday? what does that split screen look like for your party, for r

republicans, if voters are going to polls and republicans in the house are holding impeachment hearings for president biden? >> it depends what the evidence is. that's why an inquiry may be what's needed here because there is a lot that's been uncovered. >> but trump doesn't even want an inquiry, scott. he just wants it to go straight to the impeachment. >> i'm sorry? that's what donald trump. what i'm saying is the way house republicans have handled it so far by using the committees, by building evidence and starting to build a foundation, that is the correct strategic play. so, his emotional impulse here and his stated reason for wanting it, because they did it to us, is incorrect. the correct way to do it is to find the facts and build a foundation. and if the facts and the foundation warrant it, then you proceed. so, i actually trust what speaker mccarthy and the committee chairs are doing because that's what they're doing. they're on a fact finding mission right now and an inquiry would give them more tools n. terms of what this would look

like politically, if the facts warrant an investigation and ultimately an impeachment into joe biden, i guess the voters would have to take that into consideration the same way they're having to take into consideration what's happening to donald trump right now. to me, it's all based on do you have the goods, and they may need the inquiry in order to get to that stage. >> they haven't convinced their own party, a republican who did not speak on the republican told my colleague melanie zanona, there's no evidence that joe biden got money or did something to hunter biden could get money. i don't think the evidence exists. but jamal, if they do launch the inquiry, will voters understand? will voters get that or will it seem like this equivalent of trump is on trial, president biden is being impeached, and hunter biden's legal issues are muddied into as well. >> at the heart of this is a tragedy about the president's son who had an addiction to

drugs. and through that addiction to drugs, he made a series of bad decisions. the president admitted that. hunter biden is going to go to court and admit that. people around america know what happens when you have a family member who's addicted to drugs and how painful that is for everybody. what we cannot do is have a government impeachment because the president's son made a series of bad decisions and misrepresentations. i think that's the problem here. let's keep one more thing in mind. when we get to october of this year, we now october 23rd is the first trial set, when it comes to the georgia case for one of the defendants. there will be a series of information -- a lot of information is starting to come out, facts, new facts, about president trump's behavior. beginning the october, so before we ever get to perhaps a march date for the president, we're already going to know more things about the president's behavior that will influence the republicans' primary process. >> he may already have it locked up. >> ki respond to that. >> yeah, go ahead, scott. >> i'm sorry. the idea this can all be waved

away because hunter biden was a drug addict who made wrong decisions completely absolves what we know about joe biden, who has repeatedly lied about what he knew about hunter biden's activities, about the fact he was on phone calls action about the fact that hunter biden was getting millions of dollars from overseas. he was the vice president of the united states. he's now the president of the united states. and i'm sorry, but he has to go to a higher sustaitandard than g this away. you do not hire hunter biden for tens of million of dollars to joe biden can talk to you about the weather on the telephone. nobody believes that. and that's why these investigations are serious, more serious than you're making them out to be. >> kaitlan, one more thing, hunter biden was a private citizen. donald trump hired jared kushner, who could not get a permanent security clearance because of his affiliations in some of his business dealings.

so, he was in the white house. so, this isn't about -- let's just have some clarity here. >> is hunter biden in the white house? >> he was not in the white house. >> does he live in the white house? >> so, why are we having a conover a conversation about hunter biden? did you want to have an inquiry based on djjared kushner's inability to get security. >> there's a way to ask what president biden knew and you can look at past comments there, scott. but hunter biden does not have a taxpayer funded job. they're different situations here in that since. >> copious amounts in the white house. >> he doesn't have a tax funded payer job in the house, like jared kushner did was my point. >> he wasn't negotiating middle east peace. and then raising money -- >> you're trying to say that hunter biden does not have tremendous influence over his father? i don't think anybody buys that. >> of course he does.

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tonight, new video shows the moment that a 21-year-old gunman entered a jacksonville, florida dollar general store before killing three people who were black. the gunman was white and the sheriff says there is no question the attack was racially motivated. police say he left a racist manifesto on his computer. one of his weapons, an assault rifle, was decorated with swastikas. his first stop was edward waters university, a historically black campus in the state. here to discuss what we are learning tonight, these new details, is retired police captain ron johnson. thank you so much for being here. the sheriff says they have this manifesto on their hands, they will be releasing parts of it. what would you be looking for in something like that? >> well, the actual verbiage that was in there, so we started talking about the racially

motivated. we want to see what the verbiage is and where he's getting his verbiage from, looking at the internet sources and books he may have read. so, it'll tell a lot about his mindset. >> essentially the shooting is being investigated as a hate crime. we know that. what evidence would they be looking for to make sure it could be categorized as a hate crime. >> we may be looking at other people me may be in contact with. i think we'll look at those things and it will tell law enforcement about the mindset he had on that day and his thinking overall. >> the there have said that when the shooter was 15, he was held under the state's baker act. for those who don't know, it allows people who pose a risk to themselves or to others to involuntarily be detained for potentially up to 72 hours. and normally people who are detained under that act cannot buy firearms. but both of his guns were

purchased legally we now know. what questions do you have either about the strength of red flag laws or the concerns that even if the warning signs are there that sometimes they could be missed or this still ultimately happens? >> well, i think there's a lot of things that are in place, a lot of systems in place. but a lot of times they don't talk to each other. we have to make sure all these things are in place. they connect. and that's our politicians, our lawmakers have to get together and make sure all these things connect so we can prevent things like this. >> i mean, part of that is it's a pattern. i think that's what concerns people because we have what happened here. and officials there saying it's clearly a hate crime. in texas earlier this year, the neo-nazi, the shooting there n buffalo, the white supremacist who opened fire in the topps supermarket. the fbi says hate crimes have risen 12% in 2021. the majority targeted because of their race. i mean, are there questions, are there limits, to what law

enforcement can do about people who are considered lone wolves that are very clearly motivated by hate? >> i think from a law enforcement standpoint, many agencies have officers, and that's their job where they lolook on the internet and they're looking for those lone wolves. but it is stuff. i think we have to depend on the sids, the family members. the students alerted the law enforcement officers. we have to make sure we're diligent in those efforts around reporting. >> captain ron johnson, thank you for joining us for your perspective on this, which is, of course, perfect for this. >> thank you. and tonight, we remember the three victims of that shooting in jacksonville, and we are thinking of their families. coming up, protests are growing for calls for spain's soccer chief to resign, and a criminal investigation into that forcible kiss at the world cup. we have new details on that investigation.

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the calls for rubiales to resign have only grown louder. today, spain's regional truckers talk chief held in a manner and -- merge the meeting where the unanimously culturally septum. he has said that the case was consensual, but hermoso has said that she felt violated. and that she never gave any consent whatsoever. his family tonight is sticking by him, earlier today his mother locked herself inside of a church and said that she will start for self to protest how her son is being treated. joining me now, -- a cnn contributor and host of the kerry champion show. carey, i mean, when you look at, this how do you see this ending? >> first, off i don't even know how we got here. eight days later and we are not even talking about a historic win for the spanish world cup team for the women? i see this ending, to your question, with rubiales, he must resign. the players said they will not play unless he is gone, the administration is against him. they opened a criminal investigation. and this shows that something

else is happening in this country in realtime. caitlin, it's there, and i heard a government officials say this, it's their metoo moment. >> yes, it does seem like this moment of a reckoning, that it has become bigger than the justice one incident. it is kind of setting off this debate about feminism, about equality, about harassment, i mean, what do you make of the fact, you did note that they had this big win. but it has become more than the win. it has become more about, you know, how they have been treated for years. this wasn't just a one-off kind of thing? >> you nailed it, you said it exactly correct. that culture, to their admission, has been very much chauvinistic in a lot of ways towards the women. but she's mo. right, now what we are witnessing in realtime with this is just being the example, rubiales's of the school of that is the way it has always been done. employees can cause the employer, what do you mean, what's the problem? and he is realizing, in realtime, that that's not what you do anymore. not on the world, stage not with everyone watching.

he specially in a huge event like this. you must conduct yourself differently. if he had apologized, simply said that i was wrong and i was really contrite, he would have his job, i believe. but he has to go now. >> i had the same thought today about how he has handled this. he has been very defiant, not defiance that he did what he did, but defying, you know, he is claiming that it was consensual. and instead of, you know, taking into account that very clearly how a large group of women feel about his treatment of them, he has continued to be defiant, i mean, how much longer do you think he can do that? >> you know, what was weird to me is that there is no one in that country that can remove that president from his position. i am pretty sure that in they are gonna rethink this. the reason why he's being so defiant is because he is being told quietly behind closed doors, you have been the most successful presidents that we have had. they can't lose you. and now he is playing this game of checkers while the world is playing chess. he is going to have to

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tonight, the state of florida preparing for adalja, the storm that is expected to strengthen into a major hurricane before it makes landfall, wednesday,

along the gulf coast. right now, some 20 miles off the western tip of cuba it has sustained winds of 70 miles per hour. but forecasters are warning that adalja could become a category three storm before it hits florida's big bend, from tampa to just south of tallahassee. officials say some areas of the gulf coast could see 10 to 12 feet of storm surge, and that mandatory and voluntary evacuations have been issued for at least eight counties on florida's west coast. we have continued to monitor it and will continue to update you as that storm progresses. thank you so much for joining me tonight, cnn prime time with abby philips starts right now. >> hey, caitlin, thank you very much. and good evening, everyone. i am abby philips, join me tonight, a smart round table on a surprise legal twist in the trump indictments. the jacksonville sheriff will be here on the races to attack, there as well as the hero security guard he chased down the shooter. plus, the family of the fallen soldier wh